By Jueseppi B.
Bystanders stand outside the scene of a shooting inside the Sikh Temple in Oak Creek, Wis, Sunday, Aug. 5. Police in Wisconsin say at least seven people are dead at a Sikh temple near Milwaukee, including the suspected gunman. Jeffrey Phelps/AP
Contrary to what you are about to hear from the mainstream media over the coming days and weeks, the “tone” of political discourse had absolutely nothing to do with the Sikh Temple Massacre.
Discussing the “tone” of the political landscape, today, is, instead, putting the horse ahead of the cart.
It was the psychology of modern conservative philosophy that gunned down six innocent Wisconsities, my friends – not the “tone” of our political speech.
And it is that same fallacious conservative belief that the LGBT community, Muslims, liberals and democrats are out to destroy America that is setting the “tone” of our current political discourse.
As long as this remains the case, as long as modern American conservatism puts forth the precept that liberals and democrats are the enemies of America and a bona fide threat to the nation’s very existence, the bodies will continue to pile up.
Only the most naive of political observers could ever fail to see the obvious consequences of proclaiming that any group of Americans was a “threat” to their existence or the existence of the nation and not realize that different people would deal with that “threat” in different ways.
Furthermore, even discussing the ”tone” of today’s political discourse merely leads into the false moral equivalency argument about how “both sides do it.”
Both sides do NOT, emphatically, “do it.”
Pretending that the LGBT community, Muslims, liberals and democrats are busy shooting conservatives (when they are not) directly plays into the false conservative mind-set that the LGBT community, Muslims, liberals and democrats are all a threat to conservatives, which is precisely why conservatives are, in fact, killing liberals, in the first place!
Therefore, we must reach the conclusion that even discussing the ”tone” of current plitical discourse reinforces, in today’s conservative psyche, that liberals are out to get them.
It is the conservative belief that liberals are a threat that HAS to be dispelled, and that will not happen by RE-INFORCING conservative fallacies.
When conservative leaders finally stand up and tell their more fanatical followers that liberals will not destroy America, that democrats are not out to “get” republicans, the murders of innocent liberal democrats will come to an end.
But not until then.
At least six killed in shooting at Wisconsin Sikh temple
A gunman opened fire on a Sikh Temple in Wisconsin where several dozen people were worshiping, killing at least six. The suspected shooter died in an exchange with police.
By Dinesh Ramde, Associated Press / August 5, 2012
OAK CREEK, WIS.
At least six people were killed Sunday whena gunman opened fire at a Sikh temple near Milwaukee, and the suspected shooter later died in an exchange of gunfire with police, authorities said.
Police were called to the Sikh Temple ofWisconsin in the suburb of Oak Creek, where witnesses said several dozen people were gathering for a service. Authorities found four people dead inside the temple and two outside, Greenfield Police Chief Bradley Wentlandt said.
Sunny Singh, 21, of Milwaukee, said a friend pulled into the temple’s parking lot, heard shots and saw two people fall down. The friend then saw the shooter reload his weapons and head to the temple’s entrance, Singh said.
The first police officer to arrive at the temple engaged in gunfire outside the building with a man police believe was the shooter, Wentlandt said. The suspect was killed, he said.
Tactical units went through the temple, and authorities do not believe a second shooter was involved, Wentlandt said.
It’s unclear how many others were wounded. Wentlandt said he had been told the officer who exchanged gunfire with the suspect and another person had been taken to hospitals. He said the officer was shot multiple times and is in surgery and is expected to survive.
The spokeswoman for the area trauma center said three victims were being treated there, including one who was in surgery.
Jatin Der Mangat, 38, of Racine, the nephew of the temple’s president, Satwant Singh Kaleka, said his uncle was one of those shot, but he didn’t know how serious his injuries were. He was among those waiting for news when police announced the deaths.
“It was like the heart just sat down,” he said. “This shouldn’t happen anywhere.”
Sukhwindar Nagr, also of Racine, said he called his brother-in-law’s phone and a priest at the temple answered and told him that his brother-in-law had been shot, along with three priests. The priest also said women and children were hiding in closets in the temple, Nagr said.
Wentlandt did not identify the suspect or say what might have motivated the shootings.
Sikhism is a monotheistic faith that was founded in South Asia more than 500 years ago. It has roughly 27 million followers worldwide. Observant Sikhs do not cut their hair; male followers often cover their heads with turbans — which are considered sacred — and refrain from shaving their beards. There are roughly 500,000 Sikhs in the U.S., according to estimates. The majority worldwide live in India.
Sikh rights groups have reported a rise in bias attacks since the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. The Washington-based Sikh Coalition has reported more than 700 incidents in the U.S. since 9/11, which advocates blame on anti-Islamic sentiment. Sikhs don’t practice the same religion as Muslims, but their long beards and turbans often cause them to be mistaken for Muslims, advocates say.
Associated Press writers Gretchen Ehlke in Milwaukee, Pat Condon inMinneapolis and Sophia Tareen in Chicago contributed to this report.
Sikh Temple Shooting That Killed 7 a ‘Domestic Terrorist‘ Attack
Seven people were shot and killed today at a Sikh temple in Oak Creek, Wis., in what officials are treating as a domestic terrorism incident.
Three other people — two civilians and a police officer — were injured and were being treated at a local hospital.
Individuals attending Sunday services at the Sikh Temple of Wisconsin, just south of Milwaukee, fled in all directions this morning when a gunman entered and began firing. Many hid in bathrooms or other rooms within the temple while the shooter attacked, according to police.
Oak Creek Police Chief John Edwards said 911 calls began pouring into the police department around 10:25 a.m.
The first police officer to respond to the scene, a 20-year veteran on the police force, exchanged gunfire with the suspect and sustained multiple gunshot wounds. He is undergoing surgery at Froedtert Hospital, the main trauma center in the Milwaukee region, along with two other injured victims.
The gunman was shot and killed by the police officer outside the temple. Four other people were found dead inside the temple, while two other people were found dead outside the building.
“The officer stopped a tragic event that could’ve been a lot worse,” Edwards said.
Edwards said authorities were treating the event as a domestic terrorism incident and the FBI would be conducting a full investigation.
The police have not given any details on the identity or motive of the shooter or released the identities of the deceased.
Edwards said that by 5:30 p.m. EST today the temple had finally been cleared of all remaining people and checked for additional threats. Police tactical teams spent more than four hours securing the temple after the initial reports of the shooting this morning included reports of additional gunmen.
Police asked media outlets to stop broadcasting aerial footage from helicopters on television because of tactical operations at the scene.
Police said that they now believe the reports all described the same gunman. The FBI will be investigating the “scope” of the attack, Edwards said.
Members of the Sikh community in Milwaukee expressed outrage at the shooting.
“They went to church, not knowing that they might die today,” said Simran Kaleka, whose family was in the temple, according to ABC News Radio. “I don’t know how sick you have to be to do that, and I don’t know if it was directed toward the Sikh culture and them having turbans and having beards, but ignorance is not going to get us anywhere.”
Among those shot was the president of the temple, Satwant Singh Kaleka, who recently hosted state Rep. Josh Zepnick and the county district attorney to discuss a recent rise in violence against area Sikhs at their stores and businesses, according to the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel.
“It’s gut wrenching,” Zepnick said today in response to the shooting. “It certainly makes you wonder about how just how far this epidemic of gun violence goes, where innocent people’s lives are put at risk in ordinary day-to-day situations. it makes me sick to my stomach.”
On Sundays, Sikh temples, called gurudwaras, serve a community meal at which anyone is welcome as part of their community service. The meal, known as a langar, follows the morning services.
The Sikh religion originated in the Punjab region of India.
“Every single member of my family was inside that church,” Simran Kaleka said. “No matter who is shot and killed in there, it’s going to affect all of us out here because a lot of people are related here. And it’s just, for me, my life flashed before my eyes because it’s my whole family.”
According to information broadcast over police radio, a witness to the shooting told law enforcement the shooter was a white male, bald, with a heavy build. He was wearing a sleeveless T-shirt, according to Oak Creek Patch. He was last seen with two handguns.
Federal agents from the Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms bureau were sent to the scene of the shooting, two government officials told ABC News.
President Obama was told about the shooting around 1 p.m. today and released a statement this afternoon.
“At this difficult time, the people of Oak Creek must know that the American people have them in our thoughts and prayers, and our hearts go out to the families and friends of those who were killed and wounded,” Obama said. “My administration will provide whatever support is necessary to the officials who are responding to this tragic shooting and moving forward with an investigation.”
“As we mourn this loss which took place at a house of worship, we are reminded how much our country has been enriched by Sikhs, who are a part of our broader American family,” he added.
Amardeep Kaleka, a member of the temple, told ABC affiliate WISN his father was inside during the shooting and his mother was hiding inside, believing the gunman was still inside. Kaleka said that a priest called for emergency help after the shooting.
All you gun nuts, tell me something…..how many innocent lives are necessary for massacre before you give up the right to carry/own guns that you never use for protection or family safety? Did your gun ownership prevent Aurora Colorado? Did your gun ownership stop Oak Creek Wisconsin?
And from Boston, Obama’s presumptive Republican challenger, Mitt Romney, called the slayings “a senseless act of violence and a tragedy that should never befall any house of worship.” He said the hearts of he and his wife, Ann, “are with the victims, their families, and the entire Oak Creek Sikh community.”
Fuck you Lyin Mitt Romney, YOU are a card carrying NRA member.
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While the Chick Fil A anti-gay marriage comments weren’t particularly vitriolic, I find this shooting event related. There is a concerted effort by political and business leaders on the right to divide and conquer using hate and fear to distract from solving big problems. My opinion is this type of talk that paints fellow Americans as enemies riles up the the more combustible elements of the public. And I’m getting sick of it. So I’ve struggled hard to stay away from Chik Fil A shakes, waffle fries, and sanwiches. My wife told me a funny line from DL Hughley. He said, “Why can’t broccoli be against gay marriage?”
It was not hard for me to stay away, I don’t do fast food restaurants. But if i did I would avoid homophobic fast food places.
WOW!
Acts like this make me wonder about the shooters. Spiritually, it makes me wonder if the hate involved is satanically inspired. I just have trouble believing that any natural human being could come to the point of insanity where such an act seems desirable, without some outside influence. I have never met anyone so evil.
On the topic of the day:
This incident only serves to bring up yearnings for something to use to defend myself and my home. (If it were a gun, I would have to start at the beginning, and learn how to use it properly. I have only ever handled one gun in my life, and it was a .22 rifle) I have not made any move in that direction, though, because guns scare me, too. The few times people near me were carrying one. I worried obsessively that someone would handle it incorrectly, and it would randomly go off.
I guess I am a fence sitter on the subject of gun control. And, I reserve my right to work through the controversial issue in at my own pace, and in my own way. However, I am interested in other peoples’ point of view.
Hey Jueseppi, Why do insult all causation’s, and call us racist? I am Caucasian, and Italian, and I am not racist! If a Sikh, Muslim, Buddhist, or any other person of religion, were to run for president, and had the qualifications to do so, I would consider voting for him/her. This is another tragic murder of innocent people sponsored by the A.R.A. and republican, pro murder, legislators who do nothing to correct gun laws.
Simple answr Art is this, if you are caucasian and NOT racist, my insult don’t apply to you,….now do they?
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It doesn’t matter how many people die. All the gun lobby say is, we need MORE guns!
Maybe instead of innocent Americans dying in mass shootings, we could assemble all the gun lobby members and let a few crazed gunmen loose on them?
Just heard it on the news…terrible and senseless how these things continue to happen.
They will continue to happen in America until there are no guns for insane Americans to access.
Fuck you stupid anti gun fuckwads, are you too stupid to see it is a defective person using the gun and could just as well be a baseball bat, gulf club or auto!
Hey dumbass, I wish the “defective person” would use his”GUN”, “baseball bat, gulf club or auto!” on your stupid fucked up ass.
Oh….and fuck you as well.