Jueseppi B.
Mr. Milton Hall, homeless mentally ill Saginaw Michigan man shot 46 times by police and armed with a pocket knife.
Milton Hall (49-year-old Homeless Man) Shot 30-40 Times By Michigan Police Video
Saginaw, Michigan (CNN) — Three days before Independence Day, Milton Hall died in a fusillade of police gunfire outside a strip mall.
He had been arguing with officers in a parking lot next to a shuttered Chinese restaurant when he was shot, in full view of passing motorists and while he was holding some sort of knife. Saginaw County Prosecutor Michael Thomas said later that the squad of police confronting him opened fire “because apparently, at this point in time, he was threatening to assault police.”
Thomas’ office and the Michigan State Police are investigating Hall’s death. Saginaw Police Chief Gerald Cliff said Hall was “known to be an assaultive person” with “a long history” of contacts with law enforcement, “not only with police from our department but with the county.”
Hall’s cousin, Mike Washington, acknowledged Hall had been jailed for minor offenses like vagrancy in the past, but, “He was not violent.” And Hall’s mother is growing impatient with the probe and questions why police opened fire so furiously on her son, whom she said was mentally ill.
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“It appeared to be a firing squad dressed in police uniforms,” Jewel Hall told CNN from her hometown of Albuquerque, New Mexico.
“There was another way. They did not have to kill him. He had not done anything. He was not violent. He was not a murderer. He was not a criminal.”
Jewel Hall said her son had once trained as a civil right activist, been an avid reader and played football. He had lived in Saginaw for 35 years and received Social Security disability payments for a mental illness, but, “He knew his rights.”
“Everybody knew him. The police knew him well,” she said. “So that’s another question: they knew him, so why? Why did they kill him?”
The July 1 shooting happened in a parking lot on West Genessee Avenue, a busy commercial strip on the north side of Saginaw. In a video purchased by CNN, shot by a motorist from across the street, the 49-year-old Hall is seen arguing with a half-dozen officers. For more than three minutes, he walks back and forth, and at one time appears to crouch in a “karate stance,” according to the man who captured the scene.
Police said Hall had just had a run-in with a convenience store clerk. On the video, he tells police, “My name is Milton Hall, I just called 911. My name is Milton, and I’m p—ed off.” When an officer tells him to put the knife down, he responds, “I ain’t putting s–t down.” He appears unimpressed by a police dog, telling officers, “Let him go. Let the motherf—ing dog go.”
Finally, he turns to the left of the frame, where another officer had moved out of view a short time earlier. It’s then that the police open fire with a reported 46 shots in a five-second hail of bullets.
“I’m stunned that six human beings would stand in front of one human being and fire 46 shots,” Jewel Hall said. “I just don’t understand that. It’s a lot of pain in that because it only takes one shot, so the question is why?”
She questioned why none of the cameras in the police cars at the scene recorded the shooting — “none of them work.”
“So that’s the question I have and the community has is, what’s taking so long?” she said. “Why is not being transparent?”
Lou Palumbo, a former Long Island police officer, told CNN’s “Anderson Cooper 360″ that the video is “a perceptive nightmare” for a police department and could reflect a lack of training by the officers.
“This wasn’t a scenario where he was discharging a weapon in their direction,” he said.
But Palumbo added that the shooting may yet be determined to be justifiable. “One of the things the public has to understand, an individual wielding a knife at you at about 20 feet can be on top of you in a split second,” he said. “The public doesn’t know this because they don’t do this for a living.”
Neither state police nor the prosecutor’s office would comment on the investigation. In a written statement to CNN, the state police said, “Our focus is on conducting a complete and thorough investigation, rather than a hasty one.”
But Saginaw City Councilman Norman Braddock, who also has criticized the pace of the investigation, said the probe should be a “top priority.”
When CNN showed Braddock the video, which he hadn’t seen before, he said, “This is disturbing.”
“I can see what people are traumatized at, looking at something like that,” Braddock said. “We need answers.”
Jewel Hall said her family is conducting its own investigation into the shooting, “and at the end of that investigation we will decide what next steps to take with our legal advisors.”
Nearly 4 dozen gunshots fired at homeless Saginaw man
By Terry Camp
SAGINAW (WJRT) -(07/05/12) – Was it excessive force, or a justified shooting?
That’s the question surrounding the shooting death of a homeless man by Saginaw police officers earlier this week.
Six Saginaw Police Officers were involved.
The officers say the homeless man, Milton Hall, was holding a knife and making aggressive movements toward them.
But witnesses say police didn’t have to shoot.
The Michigan State Police are now investigating, and ABC12 has also uncovered some new information.
Thursday, we learned just how many shots were fired at Milton Hall Sunday afternoon.
We have also learned that some of the high tech equipment used by Saginaw Police, that could help investigators determine what exactly happened, were not working when the shooting took place.
The reminders of Sunday’s shooting are still evident in the parking lot of the Riverside Plaza in Saginaw. Marks where bullets hit are on a clothing deposit box, marked as evidence by the Michigan State Police.
ABC12 News has learned that approximately 46 gunshots were fired at Milton Hall. It’s still not clear how man times Hall was hit. And while investigators have some video of the incident, most of the high-tech audio and video equipment on the officers and their cars didn’t work properly.
The officers involved in the shooting incident were wearing lapel microphones, microphones that would pick up their conversations and possibly whatever Mr. Hall was saying back to police. We’ve learned those lapel microphones were not working.
Several Saginaw Police cars were equipped with cameras at the scene, but law enforcement officials say only one of the cameras captured the shooting. It’s not clear why the microphones didn’t work, or why the other car cameras didn’t capture the incident. One thing is clear to some people, Milton Hall had mental health problems.
“To our knowledge, he was living here in abandoned houses and just getting by,” says Dan Streeter of the City Rescue Mission in Saginaw.
He says Hall lived at the mission, but had to be removed because of his behavior. His staff recommended he get mental health treatment, but Hall refused.
“He never acted out in a way that we could have suggested for him to be petitioned and go before a court for that, he was always right there on the line, and yet he himself would never submit for it,” says Streeter.
Six police officers are on paid administrative leave while the investigation continues.
Funeral services for Milton Hall will be held Friday.
Common sense tells me a man, armed with a pocket knife, has no civil right to be shot 30 to 46 times. James Holmes, who shot 50 people killing 12 in Aurora Colorado, who was wearing body armour and armed with assualt weapons, was not shot 30 to 46 times by law enforcement. Using that as an example I’d say my common sense tells me this shooting by Saginaw Michigan law enforcement was NOT justified.
Did I mention Mr. Milton Hall was Black?
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Jueseppi B.
But Palumbo added that the shooting may yet be determined to be justifiable. “One of the things the public has to understand, an individual wielding a knife at you at about 20 feet can be on top of you in a split second,” he said. “The public doesn’t know this because they don’t do this for a living.”
A taser is effective at 35 feet. Come up with more excuses for police brutality Lou Dumbo. It looks a lot like more (white) cops exercising their law enforcement authority (with automatic protection from prosecution) to kill a black man because of their hate and fear of them.
So you are saying shooting a man armed with a knife 46 tomes is justified? You’re a bigger fuckwad than Palumbo. Maybe one day a loved one of yours will be shot 46 times while armed with a knife by racist law enforcement professionals. Get back to me then, with how justified that will feel to you.
Learn how to read please. I said a taser is effective, so common sense and deduction would tell you that I feel they should have used a taser instead of guns against the knife wielding man. I don’t see how that went over your head.
GSADF = Go Suck A Dick Fool.
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We might have to take their guns away from policemen. They should at least be retrained and not in the US.
If NObody had guns in America, regular law enforcement would not need to be armed. I say we remove all guns except from law enforcement who are strictly first responder’s to gun related crimes and law enforcement that are security details, such as FBI Homeland Security, Secret Service, bank guards, diamond merchant couriers, people like that. Your average cop on the beat should not need a gun if we effectively remove all guns.
Yes I understand my plan is a pipe dream but if enough people are massacred or slain as we’ve seen the past few months….
“Thats why I bring attention to race/racism.”
Keep bringing it, Mr. Jueseppi. Remember the story you posted about the Black kid that offed himself with a handgun while handcuffed in a police car? Have you seen that story on MSM? I have not.
Lot’s of White Folk have no idea what Black Folk are up against in 2012. I was one of them.
I blame the media, they get blamed for a lot of things, some in error, but they fail America when news reports such as all oppression of Black people goes unreported in America. We see Black people on TV anytime a report is done on welfare or crime but you never see current reports of crime against people of color. This Milton Hall murder happened the last week in July. I heard of it yesterday for the first time. Now let a Black cop shoot a caucasian armed with only a pocket knife and see how quickly that makes the news.
I agree. I think the MSM is a corporate tool designed to dumb us down and divide us. Black and White can have sex with each other, marry each other, even kill each other, but we cannot unite our communities. Works out pretty good for the rich man.
Ever wonder why MLK made it through the entire Civil Rights battle largely unscathed, but took a bullet as soon as he showed an interest in Labor issues? How long would the 1% club have lasted if King had laid the groundwork to organize the White Working Class with the same methods he applied in the Civil Rights Movement? Would millions of jobs gone to Communist China? I don’t think so.
With your mind you should be running for some elected office on your way to that White Mans House.
publius, I find that thought really intruiging.
I’m too lazy, Mr. Jueseppi. I just send money to folks with a better mind and a better work ethic, like Barrack Obama.
All kidding aside, America has a real opportunity here. If we can get Obama re-elected, I think he will break through to White Folk once the dust and hurt feelings settle. When we can talk honestly about racism, we can talk honestly about labor issues, and when we can do that, we can turn this thing around. Obama was an anomaly. The Elites did not see him coming and they still don’t know what to make of him. They definitely fear him. We will not get this opportunity again in our lifetime. We have to win now.
No if’s ands or butttttsss about it. He will be re-elected. Too many stupid dumbass negative things this ticket wants to do to a few too many Americans. People do NOT want to pay higher taxes while wealthy pay less and nobody wants their health care turned into a voucher system with higher co-pays and out of pocket costs.
The man was executed, pure and simple. Yes, he was Black. I’m sure that featured in to the equation. His life probably seemed less valuable to the police. He was homeless. That automatically makes people see you as human refuse. I know, I have been there. He was also mentally ill. He didn’t respond to the police according to the textbook. I’m sure that featured in as well. As a mentally ill person, I take his homelessness and mental illness about as personally as you do his race, JB. How can we allow any human life be perceived as less valuable by the authorities?
His mother admits that he was well known to police. The people at the mission said his behavior was just this side of being able to have him committed as being incompetent. I’m sure the police were sick and tired of dealing with him. So they used that pocket knife, and made it an excuse to execute him.
Six cops emptied their guns into him, because he was a Black homeless person who required a bit of skill to handle. And they were tired of dealing with him. And we don’t have a police state in this country? I think it has already arrived! It makes me sick.
I’ve been homeless for 4 months, I am Black and many many say I am mentally ill. I identify on all 3 levels of Mr. Hall’s life. I just know before these cops knew he was homeless or mentally ill they knew he was Black. The homelessness and mental illness are not readily known to them but his skin color was. Yes we live in a police state of execution, but your chance of being executed first and questions answered later go waaaay up if your skin color is not caucasian/white.
Thats why I bring attention to race/racism.
I hate it, but you’re right, JB
Here’s an example of media and their selectness as to what they report: Joe Biden is VPOTUS & Paul Ryan is a VPOTUS candidate, but VP Biden gets 1/3rd of air time as Paul Ryan. Why?
As I have stated before in regards to gun control. Disarming the people should be in step with disarming the police. There is no excuse for this bullshit. None.
Did using a taser not cross their gun happy asses?
They probably “weren’t working” like all of their audio and visual equipment,,,. Deadly force was their least invasive choice! Besides, if they had tasered him, they would have had to deal with him again the next time. This way, they got rid of him for good, got a paid vacation, and the investigation will make it all go away! Perfect!
Being ex military, I know the option of “wounding” him WAS an option. You never have to kill anything to stop that anything’s aggression toward you. There is not one single reason for killing a man armed with a pocket knife. These 6 cowards had target practice on a human target.
um, I was being sarcastic. Yes, I know they had the option of wounding him. And they could have killed him with a bullet or two, if for some reason that WERE necessary, which I know it wasn’t. 6 officers emptying their guns into him is just obscene!
I guess sarcasm doesn’t come across as well online. This whole incident just makes me sick. Why are we only hearing about it now?
I just heard about it yesterday while I was in the hospital, and as to why we’re only hearing about it now is the fault of the media. We can only here what they report if the news is happening in places other than where we live. Sarcasm, I didn’t even consider that. My bad.
The racial component is readily apparent. But I think we might be overlooking over-aggressive police tactics against the homeless and mentally ill. In California cops beat a mentally ill white guy to death. To top it off, the guy’s father was a retired deputy from the same PD that killed his son. They tried to buy him off for 900K. You can find the video on line. It is very disturbing.
As for the choice of weapons in this case, I agree with Mr. Jueseppi. These bastards just wanted to kill somebody. I have no faith or trust in Local Law Enforcement when their orientation is kicking in doors rather than doing real police work. The mentality of lethal force first derives for this bullshit war on drugs.
I also agree with Ms. Hobolisa… they did not want to deal with this guy again because he was mentally ill, which is exactly what happened in California.
This shit has got to stop for all people no matter what the skin tone. And stop yesterday.