People Go Stark Raving Mad Over Christopher Jordan Dorner

Posted on February 12, 2013 by Jueseppi B.

By Jueseppi B.

 

 

<> on February 7, 2013 in Los Angeles, California.

 

 

 

 

I am amazed, I mean totally amazed at how dumbass Americans can be when it comes to issues concerning everyday life in America. I have been involved with a person, who I assumed was a decent person, in comments on my blog, about this lunatic, Christopher Jordan Dorner, and his methods for calling attention to his issues with the LA Police Department.

 

Following is our back & forth comments, followed by their response on their blog of their thoughts & feelings about me and my thoughts and feelings. I use this method of example because it shows just how a nation can be divided by issues…..when there should be no divide at all.

 

The following has not been edited for spelling or content and is provided just as it was typed, except the name has been replaced with XXXXX’s to protect the person’s identity…….

 

 

Back & forth comments from the blog post:

The Associated Press: Christopher Dorner Charged With Murder “Special Circumstances”.

 

 

 

From The Commentor:

 

Submitted on 2013/02/12 at 03:29

What about all the dirty racist cops in LA who have been abusing and killing innocent blacks for years. They have not been held accountable. Dorner is trying to bring attention to the ugliness that already exist, I don’t think it’s right that he is killing innocent people but he is doing what he thinks will change the racist behavior of not only the LAPD but all PD’s around this country. What he is doing is no different then what Nat Turner did when he revolted against slavery. Turner killed innocent white families. Dorner is taking a stand for what he believes in and is ready to die for the justice he hopefully obtains for innocent black men who are stopped and frisked every day in 2013 for being the wrong color. Black men are arrested, cuffed and beaten, It happens too often and this may be what is needed, an angry black man skilled in tactical forces. To demand justice in the language they understand and will pay attention to. God have mercy on those he killed and mercy on his soul.

 

 

My response:

 

Submitted on 2013/02/12 at 09:15 | In reply to XXXXXXX…..

I don’t care what Dorner is attempting to bring attention to XXXXX, ANYONE who justifies killing humans for ANY reason is insane as the person doing the killing. So what is the LAPD has killed Blacks for years, so what if racist discrimination is the hallmark of the LAPD? Killing people because he was fired/terminated/dismissed….is unacceptable. There is NO reason that makes it OK to murder cops or members of cops families.

 

This phrase…..”To demand justice in the language they understand and will pay attention to.” is something I’d expect from a racist caucasian NRAsshole gun nut.

 

It’s just wrong. I still love & respect you, but you are wrong to support or defend murder for any cause. Use the legal system to fight your cause against discrimination. Nat Turner is dead, and so shall that be the result of Dorner…..with no solution to the problems that drove him to insanity.

 

 

 

From The Commentor:

 

Submitted on 2013/02/12 at 09:52 | In reply to Jueseppi B..

I said I DON’T THINK IT’S RIGHT HE’S KILLING INNOCENT PEOPLE. But if his actions bring about change it in the PD then good. From what I read he isn’t doing this solely for losing his job it is because he went up against the blue wall of silence. He is angered that the cops who kicked a man under arrest were given a slap on the wrist. He was suspended with pay other words a two week vacation for using excessive force. In Dorner’s mind, I’m sure after feeling the racism in the department himself he is doing what HE BELIEVES IS RIGHT.

 

 

 

My response:

 

Submitted on 2013/02/12 at 09:56 | In reply to XXXXXX.

So if he kills your children or grandchildren, based on this stupid comment from you…..”But if his actions bring about change in the PD then good.”…….then thats OK in your mind?

 

This conversation is finished.

 

Enjoy your day XXXXX.

 

 

 

From The Commentor:

 

Submitted on 2013/02/12 at 10:01 | In reply to Jueseppi B..

Yes it is because some people in order to bring about change some must die. Each of us has an opinion I don’t have to agree with you and you don’t have to agree with me. You have a good day too.

 

 

 

My response:

 

Submitted on 2013/02/12 at 10:16 | In reply to XXXXX.

When it’s YOUR children or grandchildren who die, then come talk to me about your opinion that “some people in order to bring about change some must die”. Talk to me then. You continue down this path, saying these stupid things, and I will lose all respect for you. As a parent, your thoughts on how little human life means to you is disgusting.

 

I ask you again, please stop commenting on this. You are way wrong.

 

 

 

Now this is from this person’s own personal blog, concerning their feelings about the exchange on my blog…..

 

“On February 3, 2013 I reached the ripe young age of 53. I am proud to say I am no longer a child. I don’t have to abide by anyone’s authority, except for the laws of the universe. I don’t even have problems with man-made laws because I don’t break them. Especially those, that coincides with the laws of nature. Such as I do not steal, I do not kill nor do I condone stealing and I especially I do not condone killing. However I can understand why humans in their sometimes limited ability to reason, may find just cause to do both. A parent with hungry children will steal to feed their babies. A person who feels they have been treated unfairly may believe they have no other recourse but to retaliate, pick up arms and kill innocent people. That does not make it right but none the less it is understandable.”

 

“This is my standpoint and as an adult, which I am, it is my right whether you agree with me or not. In every meeting of the minds there are always differing opinions. As it has been said, opinions are like ass holes everyone has one. There are some ass holes that have opinions and do not respect your right to yours and resort to calling you stupid and dismissing you, if your views differ from theirs. That is wrong and a total lack of respect. This is a form of bullying.”

 
“In our universe there are balancing forces. Where there is darkness there is light. Where there is joy there is sadness. Where there is health there is sickness. Where there is ugly there is beauty. Where there is negative there is positive. To find peace inside ourselves we have to respect these laws of nature and understand the opposing opinions. Sometimes we must agree to disagree. To say I have lost respect for you because you have a thought that is contrary to mine is ignorant. It is one-sided and limiting mine and your intelligence.”

 

This is a complex issue and it should not be a complex issue. Opinions are fine and dandy, but when your opinions are that breaking the laws of the land, and killing humans because you’re pissed off….is acceptable…well that is stupid.

 

I’ll repeat myself…when you take the law into your own hands and murder innocent people because you are upset and pissed off that you got terminated from a job you should never have had in the first place……you are indeed wrong. Any critical thinking person that uses common sense, will never connect or associate slavery, Nat Turner, civil rights and oppression to what Christopher Jordan Dorner is doing.

 

The civil rights movement, the fight against slavery, and common decency has no connection to this fake ass Robin Hood wanna be. Intelligence is something that we all have access to, whether we choose to make use of our own inherent intelligence is really up to us.

 

This person is entitled to their opinions, thoughts and ideas.

 

Just not on my blog, or in my universe.

 

Christopher Jordan Dorner is wrong. He is a typical insane criminal. No different than Adam Lanza, James Holmes or Jared Lee Loughner.

 

He is NOT out there fighting for Black American civil rights. He is NOT defending the hundreds of Black men who have been discriminated against or killed by the LAPD.

 

Christopher Jordan Dorner is a cold blooded killer with expert & marksman rankings from the U.S. Military.

 

Be very careful.

 

 

 

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George Zimmerman Thinks He’s Special……

Posted on December 11, 2012 by Jueseppi B.

By Jueseppi B.

 

ZIMMERMAN HEARING

 

George Zimmerman, left, arrives at the Seminole County courthouse for a hearing, Tuesday, December 11, 2012. (Joe Burbank, Orlando Sentinel. / December 11, 2012)

 

 

And he is special….a special kinda scared, advantaged, wussy caucasian who murdered A Black child.

 

From The Orlando Sentinel:

 

George Zimmerman case: Judge denies motion to take him off GPS

 

Zimmerman is not allowed to leave Seminole County except to visit his attorney’s office in Orange County.

 

By Jeff Weiner and Arelis R. Hernández, Orlando Sentinel

 

George Zimmerman must remain on GPS monitoring and stay in Seminole County as he continues to await trial a judge ruled Tuesday, rejecting the second-degree murder defendant‘s latest request for greater freedom.

 

At a wide-ranging hearing, Circuit Judge Debra Nelson heard argument on an array of issues, including defense requests for greater access to evidence from state and federal investigations into the Feb. 26 shooting of Trayvon Martin.

 

On the bond issue, the defense argued Zimmerman has been well-behaved: Since his current, $1 million bond was put in place, Zimmerman has not violated its terms, a probation officer testified during the hearing.

 

But defense attorney Mark O’Mara went beyond that, arguing that the evidence also favors his client’s freedom.

 

However, prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda argued it’s money and publicity — not safety— that the Zimmerman team is after.

 

“Isn’t the defendant safer if law enforcement knows exactly where he is?” de la Rionda said. “If there are threats, why is he appearing on national television?”

 

Why does Zimmerman want to travel? De la Rionda made reference to a recently announced plan to send signed thank-you notes to defense-fund donors. “Maybe it’s for autographs,” he said.

 

After hearing argument, Nelson denied the defense motion.

 

In addition to the bond decision, Nelson ruled on a slew of motions. Read this complete article, including the list of motions ruled on by Judge Nelson at The Orlando Sentinel.

 

I am always surprised at how the defense team of child murderer George Zimmerman, is allowed to try this murder case in the press, on social media and in the minds of racist Americans. Everywhere but the courtroom.

 

 

Justice 4 Trayvon.

 

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Black Youth Jordan Davis Gunned Down By Caucasian Male Over Loud Music

Posted on December 1, 2012 by Jueseppi B.

By Jueseppi B.

 

 

 

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The attorney for the family of Jordan Davis, the unarmed black 17-year-old shot and killed last Friday by a white gun collector in Florida, said the case isn’t about race as many have asserted. Rather, he said it’s about love, hate, and hard lessons learned from another high profile and racially charged killing.

 

 

 

I disagree and here’s why:

 

 

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Michael Dunn, the 45-year-old man who shot and killed 17-year-old Jordan Davis in a Florida parking lot, has pleaded not guilty and is using the state’s controversial “Stand Your Ground” law in his defense.

 

 

Dunn was charged with second-degree murder in the death of Davis and is being denied bond at a jail in Florida’s Brevard County. The two had a confrontation at a gas station in Jacksonville over the volume of the music coming from the car Davis and his three friends were in. Dunn’s lawyer, Robin Lemonidis, said that he thought he saw a shotgun in Davis’ SUV and he heard the teens verbally threaten to kill him.

 

 

According to Dunn’s attorney, Robin Lemonidis, he saw a shotgun in the SUV, while the teens yelled threatening, obscenities.

 

“Kill that mother**er, that mother**er dead, you dead bi**h, and then he sees that much of the shotgun coming up over the rim of the SUV which is up higher than his Jetta, Lemonidis told reporters. And it’s-all he sees are heavily tinted windows, which are up and the back windows which are down, and the car has at least four black men in it. And he doesn’t know how old anybody is, he doesn’t know anything, but he knows a shotgun when he sees one.”

 

No weapons were found in Davis’ car.

 

Dunn also believed that the teenagers were going to tell their friends to kill him. He said that he didn’t believe anyone was harmed after he let off eight to nine shots at the vehicle.

 

 

Lemonidis explains:

 

“He didn’t think he had harmed anybody and he just thought he had scared them off and he wanted to report it, but he didn’t want to go in a sense throw himself to the wolves, in a strange city without representation.”

 

 

After the shooting, Dunn and his girlfriend drove 159 miles to his home in Brevard County, where he was arrested the next day.

 

 

I’m going to stop this report here and ask 3 very vital questions:

1). What gave Dunn the right to believe he and his girlfriend had a legal right to approach the SUV Mr. Davis was inside, to ask them to turn down their music? Just drive away or better yet, mind his business.

 

2). If, and this is a big if, Dunn felt so threatened as his attorney claims, why did he approach the car in the first place, and when he felt so threatened by the SUV of Black young men, why not drive away? Because he knew he was armed, and he knew of Florida’s Stand Your Ground Law.

 

3). If Dunn felt he was within his legal rights, according to Florida’s Stand Your Ground Law, why drive away from his murder scene, and drive 159 miles to his home?

 

 

The Official Reports:

 

Jordan Davis, Teen Shot Over Loud Music, Compared To Trayvon Martin

 

By JACOB JORDAN 11/30/12

The fatal shooting of a Florida teenager who was listening to loud music in a car a week ago has drawn comparisons to the Trayvon Martin case, but the differences are significant.

 

Unlike the Martin case, several people witnessed this shooting and there was no scuffle before 17-year-old Jordan Davis was shot to death. And notably, the man accused of firing into the car was arrested a day later.

 

Michael David Dunn is charged with murder and attempted murder in the Nov. 23 shooting at a Jacksonville, Fla., gas station. The 45-year-old Dunn parked beside the sport utility vehicle occupied by Davis and three other young men and told them to turn the music down, police said.

 

Dunn exchanged words with Davis, who was in the back seat, and started firing. He later told police he felt threatened. His attorney has said Dunn saw a gun and shot in self-defense, perhaps laying the ground work for a case under Florida’s “stand your ground” law.

 

Since the shooting, Davis’ family has received an outpouring of support from the community. A “Justice for Jordan” Facebook page was set up and his classmates gathered at a memorial service with T-shirts showing Davis’ smiling face. Fire trucks saluted him by spraying water over an airplane carrying his body to Atlanta while it was on the runway. The teen’s mother lives near Marietta, and a funeral is scheduled for Davis Saturday at the Trinity Chapel Church of God in Powder Springs.

 

Davis’ father, Ron, said his son was a typical high school junior who was getting ready to start his first job at McDonald’s, looking forward to buying his first car and turning 18 early next year. He had a “million-dollar smile” and liked music, listening to mostly rap but also the sounds of his dad’s generation, including James Brown and The Temptations.

 

Standing over his son’s casket, Ron Davis promised to fight laws that allow people to carry guns outside of their homes.

 

“Law enforcement should be the only people who should have guns on the street,” he said. “That’s what’s killing our kids more than anything.”

 

Police said they didn’t find a weapon in the SUV with the young men, and Ron Davis said he doesn’t believe Dunn’s claim that he saw a gun. He thinks Dunn is searching for an explanation.

 

 

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Ron Davis, the father of Jordan Davis is embraced as he arrives at the funeral home for the visitation and a memorial service for his son Jordan, Wednesday, Nov. 28, 2012 in Jacksonville, Fla.(Photo by Bob Self/AP Photo/The Florida Times-Union)

 

 

Micheal David Dunn didn’t need to approach the SUV with the loud music, he could easily have driven away to another gas station if the loud music offended him and his girlfriend, After all, when finished killing Jordan Davis, he didn’t then find an empty pump and fill up….he drove 159 away to his home.

 

 

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(L. to r.) A Wolfson High School classmate of Jordan Davis breaks down outside the funeral home where the visitation with Jordan’s family was taking place at the Hardage-Giddens Funeral Home in the Mandarin area of Jacksonville, Fla., on Nov. 28. Friends of Jordan comfort one another outside the funeral home. Bob Self/The Florida Times-Union/AP

Read more: http://globalgrind.com/news/michael-dunn-pleads-not-guilty-shooting-murder-jordan-davis-stand-your-ground-law-defense#ixzz2DogVgpO1

 

 

Florida man pleads not guilty to shooting teen to death over loud music

 

By Elizabeth Chuck, NBC News

 

A Florida gun collector has pleaded not guilty to a murder charge alleging that he opened fire on a car full of unarmed teenagers, killing one, in an altercation that police say stemmed from loud music.

 

Michael David Dunn, 45, acted “as any responsible firearms owner would have,” his lawyer said of the Friday evening incident at a gas station outside a convenience store in Jacksonville, Fla.

 

Dunn and his girlfriend were in Jacksonville for his son’s wedding when they pulled up in their car next to the teens. Police allege that while the girlfriend was in the store, Dunn told Jordan Russell Davis, 17, and his three friends to turn down their music.

 

“It was loud,” Jacksonville homicide Lt. Rob Schoonover said of the teens’ music. “They admitted that. That’s not a reason for someone to open fire.”

 

After an exchange of words, Dunn began shooting with a handgun, Schoonover said.

 

“Nobody else in that vehicle was struck; it was just our victim [Davis], which was lucky because the vehicle was shot eight or nine times,” Schoonover said.

 

Davis was in the back seat and was struck twice, reported The Orlando Sentinel.

 

Dunn and his girlfriend drove off and spent the night at their hotel, according to Schoonover, but witnesses took down his license plate number. Police arrested him Saturday morning at his home in Satellite Beach, Fla., on one charge of murder and three charges of attempted murder.

 

“His side of the story is he felt threatened and that is the reason he took action,” Schoonover said.

 

On Monday, Dunn — a gun collector who shot at local gun ranges, according to authorities — pleaded not guilty in Brevard County court, with his attorney describing his actions as self-defense.

 

 

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Jacksonville Sheriff’s Office: Michael Dunn is accused of the shooting death of Jordan Davis.

 

 

“Once all the facts come out, that what really happened is known, it will be very clear that Mr. Dunn acted responsibly and as any responsible firearms owner would have acted under these same circumstances,” said his attorney, Robin Lemonidis, reported FirstCoastNews.com, the website for NBC station WTLV in Jacksonville.

 

The attorney for the family of Jordan Davis, the unarmed black 17-year-old shot and killed last Friday by a white gun collector in Florida, said the case isn’t about race as many have asserted. Rather, he said it’s about love, hate, and hard lessons learned from another high profile and racially charged killing.

 

In a rare interview since Davis’ killing on Nov. 23, John Phillips, a personal injury and wrongful death attorney in Jacksonville, Fla., talked with MSNBC.com about the teen’s tragic death, the somewhat cheerless pas de deux between lawyer and the media in such cases, and the comparisons Davis’ killing have drawn to the case of Trayvon Martin.

 

“This isn’t a race case. It isn’t about black and white, it’s about love and hate,” Phillips said. “The main thing right now is trying not to make it too, not to foster any hate. That’s a lot of what came out of Trayvon.”

 

My question is, once again very simple: What fuels love and hate against a human you know nothing about? A human you have never met, never talked to, never spent a single moment with until you ruthlessly pull that trigger murdering that human in cold blood?

 

Skin color.

 

Racial Hatred.

 

Racism.

 

Yes, It Is All About Race.

 

 

We’ve seen this case unfold before. In February, George Zimmerman killed 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, claiming that he posed a threat. He also used the “Stand Your Ground” law in his defense, which allows someone to use deadly force when they are attacked and feel that their life is being threatened. However, the law does not specify the terms of a “threat” that allow someone to kill another person. It’s time to repeal the law.

 

 

It Will Happen Again.

 

And Again.

 

 

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Latest George Zimmerman Murder Trial News: No Zimmerman Attorney Gag Order

Posted on October 31, 2012 by Jueseppi B.

By Jueseppi B.

 

 

 

 

 

Judge denies gag order in George Zimmerman murder case.

 

Judge releases fewer Zimmerman medical records than Trayvon’s family had hoped.

 

By Rene Stutzman, Orlando Sentinel

 

rstutzman@tribune.com or 407-650-6394. jeweiner@tribune.com or 407-650-6394.

 

 

SANFORD – In a blow to prosecutors seeking to muzzle George Zimmerman‘s defense attorney, Circuit Judge Debra S. Nelson on Monday refused to issue a gag order in the second-degree murder case.

 

In a two-page order, Nelson wrote that she found no “overriding pattern of prejudicial commentary” and noted that a dozen media companies that had opposed the order, including the Orlando Sentinel, were right when they argued that the state had failed to demonstrate prejudice.

 

The judge also noted that she had several tools to make sure Zimmerman’s jury is impartial. She can move the trial to another county, have attorneys question potential jurors one at a time and away from other potential panel members and, once seated, she can give stern instructions about avoiding outside sources of information.

 

The gag order request was an attempt by Assistant State Attorney Bernie de la Rionda to quiet attorney Mark O’Mara, who has been vocal in his defense of Zimmerman and innovative in communicating on his website,Twitter and, for a time, Facebook.

 

The judge held a 2 1/2-hour hearing Friday, most of it taken up by attorneys arguing for and against a gag order.

 

During that hearing, O’Mara said his client had been the subject of a carefully orchestrated national media campaign by attorneys for Trayvon‘s family, who had traveled the country, portraying the former Neighborhood Watch volunteer as a racist murderer.

 

De la Rionda accused O’Mara of trying to taint potential jurors. All he wanted, de la Rionda said, is to have a fair trial, and the best way to do that is to prohibit all attorneys from talking about or publishing information about the case.

 

Also on Monday, Nelson released another ruling granting prosecutors fewer of Zimmerman’s medical records than attorneys for Trayvon Martin’s family had hoped.

 

They had asked for all of Zimmerman’s medical records, but defense attorneys had squawked, saying that would violate Zimmerman’s right to privacy. So the judge looked them over and ruled that the state could only have records she deemed relevant: those related to injuries Zimmerman suffered Feb. 26, the night he shot the unarmed 17-year-old.

 

“Any injuries received that night would clearly be relevant to a self-defense claim, as would any similar injuries present before that night or continuing symptoms after that night,” she wrote. “Observations of the defendant’s physical appearance surrounding the date of the shooting may also be relevant. However, other medical records relating to the treatment of untreated maladies should not be disclosed.”

 

During a news conference on the courthouse lawn Oct. 19, about two hours before attorneys presented their case to the judge, family attorney Benjamin Crump called for the release of Zimmerman’s prescription and mental health records.

 

That would be key, he said, to understanding the mind of Trayvon’s killer.

 

The judge’s ruling, though, kept those under wraps.

 

Several months ago O’Mara released a set of office notes from theAltamonte Springs doctor’s office where the defendant sought medical care the day after the shooting. They revealed that Zimmerman was taking several prescriptions, including those commonly given to people who suffer from attention deficit disorder, who cannot sleep and who have ulcers or stomach problems.

 

They also revealed that a physician’s assistant the day after the shooting diagnosed him with a broken nose, cuts to the back of his head, two black eyes and back pain.

 

The judge signed the order on the medical records Friday, and it became public Monday.

 

In arguing against the gag order Friday, O’Mara said that when he first took Zimmerman’s case, his office was inundated with thousands of pieces of email and media queries, so he created a website, where he regularly posts blogs and court documents.

 

He or a public relations professional also periodically posts short notices on Twitter.

 

O’Mara abandoned a Facebook page he had set up, he said, because it devolved into Trayvon supporters and Zimmerman supporters spewing vitriol at each other.

 

But in general, he said he had helped quell tensions around the case without violating Florida Bar rules, which prohibit an attorney from discussing a case if it has a substantial likelihood of prejudicing a proceeding.

 

A dozen news organizations, including the Orlando Sentinel, The Wall Street Journal, The New York Times and CNN, opposed the gag order, calling it extreme and unnecessary.

 

 

 

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Murderer George Zimmerman Goes To Trial On June 10th, 2013. We Hope.

Posted on October 17, 2012 by Jueseppi B.

By Jueseppi B.

 

 

 

 

 

It will be more than a year of lying, cheating the system and removing judges not liked by the defense team but in June, on the 10th, of 2013, George Zimmerman will face the Trayvon Martin family in a court of law.

 

George Zimmerman’s murder trial for the shooting of Florida teenager Trayvon Martin will commence on June 10, 2013, according to theOrlando Sentinal.

 

Click Orlando reports that Zimmerman was not present at the hearing where the trial date was set.

 

FROM THE AP:

SANFORD, Fla. — A new judge will hear how close lawyers are to being ready for trial in the murder case of a Florida neighborhood watch volunteer accused of shooting an unarmed teenager.

 

George Zimmerman, charged with second-degree murder, is not expected to be in court Wednesday for the procedural hearing.

 

Judge Debra S. Nelson was appointed to the case in late August after an appeals’ court found that the former judge made disparaging remarks about Zimmerman’s character and advocated for additional charges against him during a bond hearing.

 

The 29-year-old is charged with shooting 17-year-old Trayvon Martin in February. Zimmerman has claimed self-defense and is pleading not guilty.

 

A hearing is also set for Friday for the judge to hear arguments on several new motions.

 

The time it has taken to bring this murderer to trial is disgusting. Lets hope it is a short trial, an even shorter deliberation, ending with a guilty on all counts verdict.

 

Justice 4 Trayvon.

 

 

 

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